tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post4503821903687478003..comments2024-03-05T08:25:01.029-05:00Comments on Poker Grump: Stupid is not maliciousRakewellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-90233995299341962592014-03-06T03:59:18.278-05:002014-03-06T03:59:18.278-05:00I no longer have any memory for how the prize mone...I no longer have any memory for how the prize money was distributed. But what I wrote was that it was split evenly between the three people who cashed, which included me. So yes, I think I got more than 1st place money, which is why I felt that I should give some of it to the bubble boy when I saw him again later.Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-80817905516230624822014-03-06T01:40:39.913-05:002014-03-06T01:40:39.913-05:00I was kind of surprised, Grump. When I saw you we...I was kind of surprised, Grump. When I saw you were going to talk about this case, I figured you for a hard-liner. I mean, I know how you feel about soft-playing.<br /><br />I first heard about this when a co-worker sent the press release that came into the office and she noted, "Seems kind of harsh, no?"<br /><br />That was my first reaction, but you know, I'm not so sure. The guy is an experienced player, he surely knew that what he did was against the rules. I'm finding it hard to believe the souvenir story.<br /><br />I really can't convince myself he wasn't pocketing that chip to use in a future tournament there, presumably the main event. Really, that is by far what seems most likely to me. He must have felt he had the tourney he was playing in the bag, and a 25K chip suddenly appearing in his chip stack in the Main when they introduce that size chip could really help.<br /><br />Of course, there's no way to prove intent. Perhaps just a one year ban would have been more appropriate, after all, he didn't kill anybody. But since it seems likely he was trying to cheat at some point, it should be a serious penalty.<br /><br />BTW, in that old post of yours that you linked, where they caught a guy cheating, it wasn't clear to me whether or not you got a piece of the 2nd place money that the distributed to the next place finishers. I would think that would only be fair. Did you get better than 1st place money as a result of the guy cheating?<br /><br />And did the guy who tried to cheat you look anything like Chan Pelton? :)Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05767080296489122846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-12619997065691404892014-03-05T18:53:53.423-05:002014-03-05T18:53:53.423-05:00harsh. when did caesars bcome singaporeharsh. when did caesars bcome singaporeangerisagifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945967112589502437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-35165485121464845292014-03-05T11:19:16.331-05:002014-03-05T11:19:16.331-05:00Adam: One possible answer to your questions is tha...Adam: One possible answer to your questions is that it was completely impulsive, not thought out at all. Of course I don't know that to be the case, but it seems to fit the available facts. <br /><br />But one could ask similar questions about theories that he was going to manufacture more chips, or introduce it in a later tournament: Why take only one? Why do it so late in the tournament that, when they detected that a chip was missing, there would be only two suspects? His actions are not those of a well-thought-out dastardly plan. Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-39494931681282887692014-03-05T11:01:09.149-05:002014-03-05T11:01:09.149-05:00In theory, I agree with you. You need different pe...In theory, I agree with you. You need different penalties for cheaters and those who are stupid. And if he was talking a souvenir, the lifetime ban from all Caesar's properties seems extreme.<br /><br />In practice, I wonder if we're being a bit naive. This guy has played and won circuit events before. He <i>knows</i> the rules and he know <i>why</i> we have this rule. This isn't a tourist playing the daily $125 in Vegas. If he wants a souvenir, why take it <b>during</b> the tournament not afterwards? Why take a 25,000 chip; was that the smallest denomination on the table? Why not ask if they could "strike" a chip for him?<br /><br />Really I'm inclined to view this as an attempt to cheat with a good cover story. I know you don't like "intent should not be considered" and much of me concurs with your dislike. But I suspect the point of that rule is to avoid making the TD a mind reader who has to determine if the player really was that stupid or if he has that good a poker face to cover his lies. I've been in the position of trying to determine intent and it's generally impossible. It's even harder to call the perpetrator a liar to his face (saying you don't believe his claim it wasn't malicious) and punish accordingly.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15234000354134393735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-4343718036762435282014-03-05T09:35:07.337-05:002014-03-05T09:35:07.337-05:00agreeagreeTony Bigcharleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505857211799064393noreply@blogger.com