tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post4535874418920411268..comments2024-03-05T08:25:01.029-05:00Comments on Poker Grump: Tiffany Michelle--is she insane, or just stupid?Rakewellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-164075003523360862009-11-18T23:10:55.883-05:002009-11-18T23:10:55.883-05:00When Tiffany Michelle accepts the Rakewelll Challe...When Tiffany Michelle accepts the Rakewelll Challenge you'll tell us, right?<br /><br />We'd all like to rail that one.unaha-closphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11385104004764358415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-39681848112728534252009-11-18T13:29:48.367-05:002009-11-18T13:29:48.367-05:00Maybe she was trying to be funny? By using the wo...Maybe she was trying to be funny? By using the word Jesus some people might think she is being a lot more serious than how she actually feels at that moment.<br /><br />Some sarcasm perhaps.<br /><br />It also could have been a line given to her by the producers. It could be that someone off camera said try this line, and they did that multiple times with multiple lines with the on-camera people not really caring what they are saying because they just want to get that shot done with. And then in post a producer chose that one take to be used.<br /><br />It's just TV.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11222830262715555156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-29818026084809047232009-11-18T09:30:34.458-05:002009-11-18T09:30:34.458-05:00Wow,
how many readers reacting to this post ! I ha...Wow,<br />how many readers reacting to this post ! I have to go with Grange and Cardgrrrl on this one.<br />Anyway, we all say things that, if analyzed carefully, would seem rather foolish.<br />Still, interesting points made from all angles.astrobelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-34232613150380904792009-11-18T00:22:02.004-05:002009-11-18T00:22:02.004-05:00The Grump's three responses to (that other) An...The Grump's three responses to (that other) Anonymous just goes to show - as does his original thoughts on Tiffany Michelle's comments - that he takes life and himself way too seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-83113725278680009882009-11-17T21:06:38.315-05:002009-11-17T21:06:38.315-05:00I thought of three responses to that last comment,...I thought of three responses to that last comment, and couldn't decide which one to go with. Take your pick. <br /><br />Snarky: Yeah, two people disagreeing on something obviously means the end of an otherwise good friendship. <br /><br />Teasing: Yes, Cardgrrl is wrong about lots of things--but I put up with her anyway! <br /><br />Straightforward: We disagree about LOTS of stuff. But I'm not sure why you would see that as problematic. As the saying has it, if two people always agree about everything, one of them isn't needed.Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-6896750611100796062009-11-17T20:58:11.417-05:002009-11-17T20:58:11.417-05:00Ooooh, Cardgrrl disagreeing with the Grump - is th...Ooooh, Cardgrrl disagreeing with the Grump - is there trouble in paradise?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-20341789140850445712009-11-17T16:29:45.492-05:002009-11-17T16:29:45.492-05:00People invoke the names of deities as a form of ve...People invoke the names of deities as a form of verbal emphasis. It's a way of being extra-dramatic in expressing your desires, and it's purely idiomatic.<br /><br />People do it all the time, some more archly, ironically, and deliberately than others. Perhaps we are all "terribly stupid."<br /><br />Or, you know, not.Cardgrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06329562674934869003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-62754551787464490892009-11-17T15:56:56.151-05:002009-11-17T15:56:56.151-05:00You're reaching a bit here, Rakewell. Is her s...You're reaching a bit here, Rakewell. Is her statement any more daft than saying that 24 is a monster hand? I'm not against the mighty 24, but there is no need to be so literal on everything.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831176156389777158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-67865257069175895262009-11-17T11:07:22.339-05:002009-11-17T11:07:22.339-05:00You are a kook! In the same article you are critic...You are a kook! In the same article you are criticizing a person for the daftness she exibits while choosing words expressing her feelings, but yet you say "She chose those specific words out of an infinite number of possibilities". <br /><br />I was unaware of the infinite number of words in the English language.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03567718220784656578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-39985976764968682122009-11-17T11:06:58.132-05:002009-11-17T11:06:58.132-05:00Maybe your being a bit harsh on her because you do...Maybe your being a bit harsh on her because you don't like her personally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-18806185170030080582009-11-17T02:30:04.763-05:002009-11-17T02:30:04.763-05:00"I'm with Grange. "Please, Jesus, le..."I'm with Grange. "Please, Jesus, let X happen" is common parlance in popular culture and has nothing to do with religion, faith, or the expectation or belief in miracles." <br /><br />That's clearly not true as a generalization. I.e., it is surely the case that some unknowable percentage of such utterances really are just what they appear to be: requests for Jesus to exercise supernatural powers to intervene in the natural world. <br /><br />Which, in my view, is precisely the problem. If a wish or hope is expressed in a way that nobody--at least no adult in possession of common sense--would interprest literally, there is no difficulty discerning what the speaker means. For example, if I say, "I hope Santa brings me a new computer for Christmas," I assume that nobody over the age of about 6 is going to think that I actually believe in a red-suited fat man that makes warp speed deliveries down chimneys on Christmas Eve. I think everybody would know that I am either just expressing a wish that I had a new computer (without regard for how that wish might be accomplished), or I am overtly dropping hints about what some generous loved one might want to get me. <br /><br />But because a large number of people really do believe in a Jesus who listens to and answers their prayers, and has infinite power to make literally anything come to pass, if one phrases a generic hope in the specific form of "Please, Jesus...," then one has to expect that at least some listeners will assume that your words mean exactly what they say. If you don't intend for listeners to make such inference, then it's pretty damn dumb to choose words that *on their face* invite exactly that understanding, when you could instead choose words that carry no such possible connotation. <br /><br />So, as I said originally, if Tiffany had no thought of actually invoking the power of Jesus to do something along the lines that she was apparently requesting, then she is terribly stupid for not being capable of finding words that actually matched her thoughts. After all, coming up with "I hope we get to leave Dubai now" isn't all that difficult. If such a simple declarative statement is beyond her ability to formulate, then she is a moron.Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-45682233994410082802009-11-17T02:07:40.979-05:002009-11-17T02:07:40.979-05:00I'm with Grange. "Please, Jesus, let X ha...I'm with Grange. "Please, Jesus, let X happen" is common parlance in popular culture and has nothing to do with religion, faith, or the expectation or belief in miracles. <br /><br />It certainly indicates a common human psychological belief that an event hasn't taken place until we've had the experience of it taking place (e.g. calling for a card, even though the deck is shuffled).<br /><br />But your suggestion that the fact that the deck is already shuffled implies you think there's some possibility of change before the deck is shuffled. In fact the forces at work are all perfectly deterministic--just not easily calculated--so asking for specific cards prior to shuffling the deck is no better.<br /><br />On the other hand, if quantum dynamics is to be believed (and it's quite possible that the current mathematical expression of quantum theory is really just a codification of our ignorance), theorists suggest that some waves do not "collapse" -- ie., settle into a specific state -- until they are observed (thus the schroedinger's cat experiment) such that perhaps calling for cards after the shuffle is perfectly rational within scientific theory. The reality of card order genuinely is not settled until they are observed! Not that they shift around, and neither that they are blank, but simply that the quantum events at the head of the causal chain that eventually determine the card order as seen are all spawning multiple universes such that in our universe my bullets are beat by a flush, but in that other universe, the one I wish I was in, I'm up against pocket kings, the chips are all in, and all three streets are useless garbage.Bluejackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818289223163850255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-34136799669847004792009-11-17T01:10:35.252-05:002009-11-17T01:10:35.252-05:00I think you are giving the statement too much &quo...I think you are giving the statement too much "truth value". This statement strikes me as more of an exclamation of disapproval of being in Dubai than an actual expression of an expectation of true divine intervention. In other words, I read her statement as a mere colloquialism meaning nothing more than, "I hate Dubai. I want to go someplace else." I really don't interpret her comment as an actual expression of a religious belief.Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-81751635373678857882009-11-16T21:11:32.203-05:002009-11-16T21:11:32.203-05:00gr7070: If she is asking that the instructions tel...gr7070: If she is asking that the instructions tell them to leave Dubai, and, in fact, the instructions had already been printed to that effect, then you would say that her prayer was answered affirmatively? (Because you say that if the instructions are otherwise, then the answer is no.) If so, then are you saying that her prayer on the day of shooting somehow retroactively caused the instructions to have been printed to tell them to leave Dubai? If so, how does this reversal of the normal arrow of time work? <br /><br />It seems to me that it is a pretty weak god that can only answer prayers that are in the form of asking for things to be as they already are. I.e., the instructions are what they are. Ask that they stay that way, and your prayer is granted! Ask that they be changed, and sorry, but we can't do that. <br /><br />Why should I ask for help from a being that can accomplish no more than I can on my own?Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-27363886919387309962009-11-16T20:56:42.019-05:002009-11-16T20:56:42.019-05:00It must be so nice to have such a care-free life t...It must be so nice to have such a care-free life that you can obsess over something so trivial while the rest of us go on worrying about mortages and gas prices and our kids' health.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-75216898937590703972009-11-16T20:39:52.289-05:002009-11-16T20:39:52.289-05:00>>>Perhaps her intention is that Jesus wi...>>>Perhaps her intention is that Jesus will reverse time all the way back to pre-production meetings so that no option other than having the teams leave Dubai at that point is ever considered.<<<<br /><br />Or maybe perhaps her intention is that the instructions that were put on the card were to have her leave Dubai. Which is exactly as she asked for. She didn't ask that they be changed. She asked that that's what they be. <br /><br />If they're not that, then her prayer was answered with a no. She didn't ask for the response to be changed. She asked for a specific response.<br /><br />Sheesh Grump. Your issues with religion have clouded your thinking. Certainly that happens often with those who have a huge "issue" with religion whether it be pro or con.gr7070https://www.blogger.com/profile/04856567431744102062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-66521382450421442462009-11-16T18:24:22.925-05:002009-11-16T18:24:22.925-05:00I think the idea is that God/Jesus have already se...I think the idea is that God/Jesus have already set in motion things that will happen to/for us. So apparently since God/Jesus know(s) you will praise him/them, then him/they would set up the universe such that all things would fall into place, and whoever plans out the route would no longer choose a certain location and Tiffany Michelle can leave Dubai.<br /><br />Besides, even if they did change the universe for a deck of cards, the cards wouldn't merely swap places. That would probably cause a continuum disturbance like a bang, puff of smoke, and a guy with a mustache, tuxedo, and hat pulling away a cloth, possibly even a wormhole to a desert planet where Kurt Russel has a nuke. Instead, they would implant a suggestion in the dealer's brain to press just this hard here during the shuffle to put this card there and that card here and then only cut to this other card and POW four of a kind on the river.Matthew Yauchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08967242015856502362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-33512411309481094912009-11-16T18:13:00.018-05:002009-11-16T18:13:00.018-05:00Blame it on the producers of the show. Anything ou...Blame it on the producers of the show. Anything out of their mouths is coached. At least, that's the way I look at these reality shows, which is just another reason to avoid them.bastinptchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831273031973399021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-71210911314655799612009-11-16T18:04:07.892-05:002009-11-16T18:04:07.892-05:00I suspect that being in a very religious yet Musli...I suspect that being in a very religious yet Muslim (or any other non X-tian) nation would tend to bring out the average lapsed Christian's latent tendencies. Heck, if I suddenly ended up in Arabia tomorrow I'd probably go to Mass on Sunday and I don't even know the last time I crossed the threshold of a church.Conan776https://www.blogger.com/profile/00017422999431387978noreply@blogger.com