tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post5559243384692957881..comments2024-03-05T08:25:01.029-05:00Comments on Poker Grump: Can you tell me what the rule is, after reading the rule?Rakewellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-48081455746274863562009-08-17T08:55:52.027-04:002009-08-17T08:55:52.027-04:00Can texting be used to cheat? Sure, in theory, bu...Can texting be used to cheat? Sure, in theory, but it carries a high risk of detection, at least compared to other methods of cheating. Is it likely to occur at 1/2 or 2/5 NLHE? Very doubtful.<br /><br />For cheating to occur, two or more people have to be at the same table. Then, there has to be a hand where: a) a big hand develops between one villain and one or more patsies, b) the patsy has enough money to make it worth the risk of cheating, and c) the information from the villain's partner's hand has to be relevant to the play of the hand. <br /><br />There usually just isn't enough money in play at 1/2 and 2/5 NLHE for the risk of a sophisticated texting scam operation to work. These scammers are almost certain to be sitting in the 5/10 and up games. <br /><br />You can certainly be paranoid about text cheaters at your little game if you want. I prefer to let them text, as they are almost certainly not paying attention to the game, and thus are likely not playing optimally. In fact, I hope they are happily engrossed in their online world as much of the time as possible, so long as they don't slow the game down.<br /><br />FWIW, at small games, I think the habitual angleshooters and people who violate the "one player to a hand" and "English only" rules are a much bigger cheating concern than texters.Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-15780913967301464342009-08-17T01:18:40.009-04:002009-08-17T01:18:40.009-04:00grange95........a 1/2 game is a much better target...grange95........a 1/2 game is a much better target for cheaters than the higer limit games due to the amount of experience the higher limits players are at detecting that cheating is going on.<br /><br />Texting and receiving text can be done in complete silence and I could be sitting next to you and send a text and I would bet any amount of money that you would never even know I was going it. <br /><br />a casino would throw you out if they thought you were cheating. Plus if they confronted someone they thought was cheating, all it takes is hitting 2 buttons on a phone to delete all previous text inbox and outbox. from that point they are going to have to get a court order to get the records. Provinig someone is cheating with a cell phone would be extremely hard to prove It is not like any other cheating device which has a sole purpose to defraud the casino and immediately proves your intention. <br /><br />wake up. there are ways to cheat by using a texting devices and thats why all 10+ casino poker rooms that I have played in won't allow you to talk or text while you are actually in a hand. now how much they inforce those rules is up to the dealers, employees and other players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-31761301183532777912009-08-17T00:59:52.356-04:002009-08-17T00:59:52.356-04:00ummmm......I believe my reference was to the subje...ummmm......I believe my reference was to the subject of cheating and the possibility of you being clueless. It is yet to be determined how clueless you are in other subjects. (G) <br /><br />Also I want to thank you for taking time out of your busy day to "ponder" my life based entirely off my comments to you. I had no idea that I could "amuse" you that easily.<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br />Grange95......as grump has proven, These casinos believe they can detain you if you sneeze or fart in the wrong direction (or take "illegal" photos) those $3 rent-a-cops employedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-84885877308207690332009-08-16T22:56:31.646-04:002009-08-16T22:56:31.646-04:00For what it might be worth, as an attorney, I susp...For what it might be worth, as an attorney, I suspect if a casino felt any device (including a cell phone) were being used to cheat, casino security could seize the device and detain the person and hold both for the police. The police could likewise arrest the person and seize the device. If a search warrant were needed to review the phone's memory chip (or to get records from the company), it would likely be a fairly routine matter that could be obtained in short order.<br /><br />I think the more likely reason a cell phone wouldn't be used to cheat is that it is far too easy for a nosy busybody to see what's on the phone screen. Chip placements, hand gestures, etc. are far more ambiguous and much more difficult to detect and prove.<br /><br />Finally, if some enterprising team figured out how to cheat via texting, they almost certainly won't be at my meager little 1/2 NLHE table.Grange95https://www.blogger.com/profile/01857460215043659894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-5009021275500311702009-08-16T16:49:59.320-04:002009-08-16T16:49:59.320-04:00I find it amusing to ponder what it says about you...I find it amusing to ponder what it says about your life that you spend time reading the blog of somebody who (1) you have concluded is out of worthwhile material, and (2) you believe is a "complete idiot" and a "clueless dumbass."Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-53004258195023280262009-08-16T15:33:15.099-04:002009-08-16T15:33:15.099-04:00if I told you my name address and phone number, wh...if I told you my name address and phone number, what difference does it make? It's not like we know each other on personal level and I am ashamed to speak out. Its much each to post a comment and click the Anon button than it is to log into my account then go back and post the comment.<br /><br />If I need to tell you why texting between hands is different than texting when you have cards in your hands, then you are a complete idiot.<br /><br />Learning enough hand signals to let your buddies at the table know that you have a SPECIFIC hand takes a lot of time and table experience. Texting the two letters to indicate the SPECIFIC cards is something any street level poker rookie can do.<br /><br />LOL LOL LOL ...Evidence trail...... come on that's bullshit. Do you know how long it would take you to get a court order so you could get my texting log files? <br /><br />Monte Carlo's rule is fine. When you have cards in your hands put the phone down. By the way, I hate playing at the Monte Carlo but your obvious lack of material to write about has made you appear to be a clueless dumbass when it comes to methods of cheating.<br /><br />My name is Will Dulfer. Does that make my post any different then if I was still anonymous?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-2092174829872088442009-08-16T15:04:34.456-04:002009-08-16T15:04:34.456-04:001. If you read the AVP thread to which I linked (a...1. If you read the AVP thread to which I linked (about the pros and cons of allowing texting at the table) you would have found a good discussion of the likelihood of it being used for collusion. It's not impossible, but it's not a great concern. Given the relative ease with which one could use hand signals, using texts seems overly cute--too cumbersome, not as quick as a hand signal, and leaves incriminating evidence behind. Do you have any evidence that this has ever happened? <br /><br />2. You seem completely convinced that the Monte Carlo's motivation is to prevent cheating, rather than just to keep the game moving more quickly. How do you determine this from the evidence available? <br /><br />3. If the purpose is to prevent collusion, why allow (apparently) texting between hand? I could fold, then text my partner what I had. Or I could text him what cards I saw my neighbor look at. <br /><br />4. Why would it make them "a total ass" to ban use of phones at the table altogether? It seems that they have nearly done so, perhaps (and this is still not clear to me) allowing phones only for non-talking purposes, and then only when one does not have a live hand. <br /><br />5. You may think that I was out of material, but I think that you have given this question no more than the most superficial thought. <br /><br />6. Very, very bold and brave of you to hide behind anonymity when posting criticism. Congratulations on the massive personal integrity and courage displayed.Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-35062126804341091072009-08-16T14:20:59.932-04:002009-08-16T14:20:59.932-04:00You are smarter than this. I think you are trying...You are smarter than this. I think you are trying to read too much into every signle word of their rule. They simply do not want multiple people sitting down at the same table and having the oppoprtunity to cheat. Yet they don't want to be a total ass and say no cell phones or no texting, ever. <br /><br />sending your buddy a two letter text letting him and possibly others at the table know what you and each other have would take only a second or two to compose and would be an outstanding method of collusion. <br /><br />I think you were out of material to blog about when you wrote thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com