tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post3686452848817658625..comments2024-03-05T08:25:01.029-05:00Comments on Poker Grump: I got backroomed by casino security goonsRakewellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-16399311078916500822014-07-12T17:57:34.772-04:002014-07-12T17:57:34.772-04:00Spoiled brat, they should have beaton your teeth o...Spoiled brat, they should have beaton your teeth out.maybe a broken leg..its common sense not to take pictures in a casino. You proved your suspicious behaviour by refusing to show security the pictures you took . VERY STUPID. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-14170431900011772932013-09-18T06:42:03.935-04:002013-09-18T06:42:03.935-04:00Now people are capable of anything, because casino...Now people are capable of anything, because casinos are forced to protect everything that has value. There are so a lot of fraudsters who cheat the casino of the huge amount of dollars.bestlivedealercasinohttp://www.bestlivedealercasino.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-45517904381349186692013-01-11T21:09:13.484-05:002013-01-11T21:09:13.484-05:00That is assine. There job is to protect everyone. ...That is assine. There job is to protect everyone. The only reason they do not like photographs is they are worried about their questionable activities being shown to the gaming commission.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-66717248413275064382013-01-11T19:34:12.532-05:002013-01-11T19:34:12.532-05:00This is one of the most intelligent things that I ...This is one of the most intelligent things that I have heard come out of a casino security person. Your high school English teacher must be proud of you,wait you did not make it to high school. I think we are all proud of you that you have a minimum wage job. Gee I can't figure out why you have not been hired by any police departments. I do not know where you live,but if you can find California on the map,you will be able to get a job at Sycuan Casino. You will probably make Captain within a week,and make $14 a hour,and get a cupcake on your birthdayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-38570849621871502902013-01-11T19:24:25.825-05:002013-01-11T19:24:25.825-05:00No it is to watch the pit bosses,dealers and custo...No it is to watch the pit bosses,dealers and customers. This is the only place where the cameras are on 24 7. They do. Have to verify jackpot payouts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-81841359222104508782013-01-11T19:14:42.578-05:002013-01-11T19:14:42.578-05:00Your comments are right on. Here in California we...Your comments are right on. Here in California we have a casino called Sycuan,where this stuff goes on all the time. The problem is these rejects actually think they are real police officers. In truth a large percentage of them are police academy rejects. They probably could not pass the psychological test,the physical test, the background check,or the drug screening. In my opinion the best security officers are retired police officers. They command a certain respect from dealing with the public and know how to keep everything calm. Let's face it these 22 year old losers where not taking Calculus when they were in high school. I have found the best way to handle this situation is to ask to speak to their supervisor who probably has an IQ in triple digits. In reply to one of your readers who implied that you must have been doing something wrong to be stopped by these fools,nothing could be further from the truth. At Sycuan they routinely stop people and ask for identification. I think they do this so they can hear themselves talk to each other on their police radios,and justify their jobs. Let's face it their number one job is to protect casino money,not your security. When a fight breaks out its like watching Barney Fife on the Andy Griffin show,sorry for that reference for your younger readers. Sycuan Casino also likes to make routine traffic stops as you are driving on and off the reservation,claiming you were speeding,or my favorite driving erratically. Do not argue with these people just say I was not aware of that. Their ticket has no meaning in the United States. You only have to worry if they call the real police. They will let you off with a warning,and they get to fill out paperwork,a win win situation. I have found the best way to deal with this is to park my car in El Cajon and take the bus in,or to visit Barona,or Viejas. Oh well there is a dealer at Sycuan who constantly says push when you win a bet at blackjack,or scoops up the money on a push. I am hoping to get a video of her doing itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-39414755213576729462011-11-13T11:26:53.084-05:002011-11-13T11:26:53.084-05:00Are you bloody daft?You can't take pictures in...Are you bloody daft?You can't take pictures inside, or even near a casino. It is for security. It is to prevent criminals from doing their thing. I can understand that they detained you, I would have too. They merely followed a protocol for suspicious behaviour. And since everyone knows that taking pictures in a casino is not allowed, taking pictures in a casino is suspicious behaviour. Same with keeping both hands visible at all times while playing. If you don't, you'll fit the suspicious category, and WILL be questioned, if it is noticed...So... yea... I'm with the casino on this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-44511907301825587162011-07-21T03:11:15.143-04:002011-07-21T03:11:15.143-04:00Thanks for posting this. It pains me that in this ...Thanks for posting this. It pains me that in this day in age that casinos are still playing the "tough guy" card.<br /><br />They had no right to detain you, much less grab your arm. That is called false imprisonment, and kidnapping. Just as I could not arrest someone in my house for taking pictures, they can't arrest you. These idiots seem to think because they are a business they are somehow above the law. Well they aren't.<br /><br />Also I would say you are deserving of punitive damages as the entire situation would cause the average person distress and discomfort. It is scary being detained in a strange place for over an hour.<br /><br />I hope you sue, or plan on suing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-46266641511421246392010-06-22T05:19:38.772-04:002010-06-22T05:19:38.772-04:00I know your feeling on the security and you are ab...I know your feeling on the security and you are absolutely right, they couldnt make it in law enforcement and no one else will hire them because of their IQ, but they do need to be taught a lesson, falsifying reports and the way they abuse the authority they have or think they have, as for training, they have none, this I know, very well. take a guess where I work and what I do...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-81124668035998595052010-04-30T07:49:32.754-04:002010-04-30T07:49:32.754-04:00HEY ASS FUCK NEXT TIME JUST DO WHAT THEY SAY! THEY...HEY ASS FUCK NEXT TIME JUST DO WHAT THEY SAY! THEY SHOULD HAVE WOOPED YOUR ASS IN THE ROOMCasino Securitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-17829896307241273842009-10-15T14:53:13.177-04:002009-10-15T14:53:13.177-04:00For what it's worth, the assault, battery, and...For what it's worth, the assault, battery, and wrongful imprisonment charges are all criminal as well as civil actions. You can go to the police district who responded to the call, demand to press charges, and the DA will be required by law to prosecute the case in a criminal manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-50760897703694677072009-04-08T17:37:00.000-04:002009-04-08T17:37:00.000-04:00That sucks, but I got you beat by by miles.I won't...That sucks, but I got you beat by by miles.<BR/><BR/>I won't relive the whole story but here's the highlights.<BR/><BR/>It was my first time in Las Vegas.<BR/>I was staying at a casino on the strip and looking back what I was doing did look a little suspicious. So without my knowledge they searched my room and did a background check and watched me like a hawk.<BR/><BR/>They were convinced I was cheating. Even though I was LOSING MONEY!<BR/><BR/>A plain clothes security guard confronts me the last day I'm there. In front of a bunch of other employees he starts making acusations and grilling me and yelling. When I explained what I was doing and why, it made complete sense. <BR/><BR/>Everybody just looked and each other like... OOOPS<BR/><BR/>Unfortunetly thats not where it ended. I guess this guy didn't want to admit he made a mistake. <BR/>Since I knew I'd done nothing wrong I just rolled with it. Might as well have some fun.<BR/><BR/>At one point I was asked to look over a railing and guess how far it was to the ground. I was tackled. I was threatend with jail time. Then finally banned.<BR/><BR/>A few years later I'm back in Las Vegas at a different hotel. When I check in I discover the guy had smeared me in the Griffin book. So they treat me like a leper.<BR/><BR/>Recently I had to go back to LV again for work. I didn't make the arrangments. Guess where I was staying. Yup. I did the same things that got me into trouble the first time and nobody even blinked. Apparently it wasen't that suspicous after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-67398130038149081212009-03-13T08:29:00.000-04:002009-03-13T08:29:00.000-04:00Sorry to hear about the bad night i hate these wan...Sorry to hear about the bad night i hate these wanna be cops.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-91177971288821254082009-03-04T09:25:00.000-05:002009-03-04T09:25:00.000-05:00Are you serious? You declined to prove that you we...Are you serious? You declined to prove that you were photographing their surveillance setup and you acted like a brat. How exactly are they supposed to know that you have no criminal intent?<BR/>If you go onto private property and want to take pictures - ASK FIRST. Is that so hard?<BR/>Congratulations on wasting other peoples' time and money and acting hurt about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-28560492819275660982009-03-01T11:55:00.000-05:002009-03-01T11:55:00.000-05:00wow man thats just assanine. im impressed you know...wow man thats just assanine. im impressed you know so much about the un-lawful detainer laws and what rights that security does have. <BR/>but... i do have to stand up for the police on this one. you have to understand that they were brought into a situation that they did not see take place, and were more than likely told a taller tale about it than was actually true. its their job to catch you in a lie. although "officer bad ass" may have taken it a bit too far. <BR/>and as far as the security guards go, not all of them are complete idiots, i assure you. some are ex-police and do actually know what rights the both of you have. its the idiots that know nothing that give them a bad name. <BR/>that really does suck that you were so inconvenienced, but hey... at least it made for one heck of a read lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-4245898372478517482009-02-27T18:27:00.000-05:002009-02-27T18:27:00.000-05:00And your picture please????? You DID take one righ...And your picture please????? You DID take one right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-85462049812293455132009-02-27T14:04:00.000-05:002009-02-27T14:04:00.000-05:00Typical casino security idiocy. The previous comm...Typical casino security idiocy. The previous comments were right, give uneducated goons $12 an hour, authority, and nothing to do, and you get casino stupidity, err, security. <BR/><BR/>I would immediately file a complaint with the NGC, mentioning your pending lawsuit, the names of the officers, the time of day, date, etc. <BR/><BR/>BTW the casinos intentionally hold you when they're pissed off so they can attempt to claim you've trespassed, refused cooperation, etc. As soon as you leave, they have no case. Way to handle it right tho. <BR/><BR/>You can be very sure everyone I know who plays at the cannery or anywhere in vegas will find the url to this blog in their inbox. <BR/><BR/>alAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-59097131014349962862009-02-26T16:29:00.000-05:002009-02-26T16:29:00.000-05:00Andy Bloch, if you're reading the follow-up commen...Andy Bloch, if you're reading the follow-up comments, please email me (rakewell at cox dot net). You could help me with a question about working with Bob Nersesian, and I don't have any obvious other means of contacting you.Rakewellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873391354585352712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-86974988027098414162009-02-26T11:02:00.000-05:002009-02-26T11:02:00.000-05:00I agree with Texas reader. I don't have a Cannery ...I agree with Texas reader. I don't have a Cannery card nor have I played there, but favorable posts of their VP would have compelled me to check it out on my next visit . Silent Boycott would not be effective, but get us an email of a VP or suit and I would be happy to email them and express my concerns of false imprisonment, theres room in a cell beside OJ for such antics.<BR/><BR/>My Last trip to Binions I was waiting near the security desk and asked if Mr. Security guy would call another officer, hand cuff me and get a picture with the $1 million bucks free photo deal there, but he had no sense of humor at all. <BR/><BR/>Texas Redeemer said...<BR/><BR/> Do need to start a reader boycott and email campaign? They need to feel the cost of their unlawful imprisonment!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-92083271166854286192009-02-24T16:57:00.000-05:002009-02-24T16:57:00.000-05:00Hey, a smartass is the natural prey of anyone with...Hey, a smartass is the natural prey of anyone with a badge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-70753988613451347502009-02-24T13:33:00.000-05:002009-02-24T13:33:00.000-05:00I find the remarks of people who throw stones at y...I find the remarks of people who throw stones at your response without merit for this simple reason:<BR/><BR/>You were detained by someone who is not a police officer for violating a policy that was not posted.<BR/><BR/>If that is "OK" or "reasonable" then what is to prevent someone from inventing a policy on the spot and detaining you?<BR/><BR/>What if they never call the police and decide to 'disappear' you instead?<BR/><BR/>ANYONE who posts that Grump's 'attitude' is the problem is far too used to being told what to do. These aren't cops - these are overpaid undertrained bouncers using the money of the casino and muscle to intimidate you into compliance to anything they want.<BR/><BR/>I will not step foot in that place. Ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-83540533944218349992009-02-24T09:35:00.000-05:002009-02-24T09:35:00.000-05:00You should have 40 or 50 friends go back with you ...You should have 40 or 50 friends go back with you and ALL of you start taking pictures at the same time! Can you imagine the "keystone cops" running around trying to stop all you guys!!? DAMN!I'd PAY to see that!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-1778371449481032442009-02-23T16:45:00.000-05:002009-02-23T16:45:00.000-05:00I have an idea for how you can sue them. I am a la...I have an idea for how you can sue them. I am a law student at the University of Virginia, and I know that in VA, a 3rd year law student who has taken a few specific courses can a certificate that allows him to represent a client in court. If Nevada has a similar policy (likely), you could get a third year from UNLV to take the case for free. Someone would LOVE courtroom experience (or at least settlement negotiation experience.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-65000368774670061172009-02-23T16:24:00.000-05:002009-02-23T16:24:00.000-05:00>I also have to agree that in>walking around...>I also have to agree that in<BR/>>walking around the casinos,<BR/>>the "no taking pictures"<BR/>>signs are never around.<BR/><BR/>This is one thing I can never understand, of all places where "they" don't want you taking pictures (casinos, malls, subways, etc.) why are there never any "No Photos" or a circle-slash-camera icon sign?<BR/><BR/>>The first time we went to<BR/>>Vegas I actually asked a<BR/>>security person if I could<BR/><BR/>I've taken quite a number of shots in LV casinos, but I've always asked either a security person or else a "suit" if it's OK. The policies seem to vary from casino to casino and even from person to person. Most of them tell you to not shoot the cage or table games.<BR/><BR/>The only place I've been confronted for taking photos was the old Westward Ho, about a month before it closed. The security guy was nice, even apologetic, but he asked me to put the camera away.Omababehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13923843074599022110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36880087.post-43566975016055852312009-02-23T13:05:00.000-05:002009-02-23T13:05:00.000-05:00Well, I think you should call Bob Nersesian, becau...Well, I think you should call Bob Nersesian, because I think from your description you might have a case that he would take on contigency. What do you have to lose by finding out?<BR/><BR/>I used to be on the blackjack team with one of the players who was illegally detained by the Frontier. Bob was his attorney and got him a six figure jury award since the casino wouldn't settle for a reasonable sum. I haven't read Bob's book so I don't know if my friend's case was in the book, but it could be. It was reported in the news. Anyhoo, if I recall correctly, he was detained for about the same amount of time that you were. I think you should make an appointment with Bob and see if you have a case. If they touched you against your will, it's an assault and you probably do, in my humble opinion. I wouldn't just walk away and say, "Oh well." If they are illegally detaining everyone who snaps photos with a cell phone, they are out of control and need to pay a fine somewhere to rein in their outrageous actions. This is America.<BR/><BR/>In my friend's case, he is a short gentleman, and they knocked off his hat and surrounded him with a number of very large security guards. One of them is around 400 pounds. I don't know why they let it get to trial, because apparently the videotape looked just awful in front of the jury. It was clear that he was being threatened and bullied. It's possible that you were surrounded in a similar way. It sounds like you were physically afraid to leave. This is a threat.<BR/> <BR/>If it goes to trial, it could be many years before you see the money, however, the money could certainly be worth the wait! To be honest, my friend did not expect such a large award, for a card counter, however, he wanted to send a message that casinos will be called to account if they illegally detain and harass. They could have easily banned him from the blackjack table or just escorted him from the property, both legal ways to handle it if they didn't want him on their private property. Instead they chose to break the law and detain him against his will. If you as an individual break the law, you expect to get called on it. Casinos need to get called on it too. <BR/><BR/>In my personal view taking photos in a casino is rude and violates people's privacy. However, the way to handle it was to escort you off the property. Holding you against your will when you have committed no crime is not an option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com