Another story from tonight's session at Imperial Palace. I was in Seat 10. The guy in Seat 7 is basically directly facing me. At several points in the course of my time there, he tries telling new players that sit down the same start to a bad-beat story: "You should have seen what happened to me earlier today. I lost $600 in five consecutive hands, and I never had worse than ace-king."
Each time he says this, I dread that he's about to launch into a detailed recitation of the whole thing, but fortunately he doesn't. He is either interrupted by other conversation or the play of a hand, or he gets a sufficiently uninterested nonverbal reaction from his audience that he shuts it down.
But the fourth time he offers this introduction, it's to a nice young married couple who has joined us in Seats 8 and 9. They are too polite to cut him off, either verbally or by body language, and, as I feared would happen, given an apparently willing audience, he begins. "First hand. I have ace-king of hearts....." Blah blah blah.
He gets maybe halfway through describing this first hand, when he has to stop to look at his hole cards and decide what to do. Even though he calls the big blind, so he's going to be playing, he looks back to the couple, obviously about to pick up where he left off.
I take the momentary pause to try a desperation move. With exaggerated inflection in my voice, as if I were a game show host, I say, "I'm sorry, sir, but I'm afraid there's a house rule against telling bad-beat stories at the table." I smile, though it hurts. I don't want there to be bad blood among the four of us. I just want him to shut up. I want him to take the OBVIOUS hint, but not take offense. I didn't want to be, y'know, grumpy about the whole thing.
But I did want him to stop. Even the awful din of slot machines' bings and and beeps and whoops, random craps shooters hitting their points and screaming like banshees, and the bad singers that punctuate one's time at Imperial Palace is a cacophony far more welcome to my ears than a bad-beat story--especially one that is going to encompass five consecutive hands in excruciating detail.
He at least acknowledges my humerous tone by flashing me a socially acceptable smile. But it only delays him for about one second. He immediately turns back toward the couple and picks up where he left off. And yes, we got the whole litany: every card, every bet, every outcome, everything he was thinking, every word that got exchanged as those five notorious hands played out. He droned on and on. If a gun had been handy, I don't know whether I would have shot him or shot myself, but one way or the other it would have ended the torture.
I will never, ever understand why people like this believe so intensely that others care about their stories of woe. Surely if they took a little self-inventory, they would recognize that they don't give a damn about hearing anybody else's bad-beat stories. Yet they somehow delude themselves into thinking, apparently, that their own bad-beat stories will be endlessly fascinating to any captive audience they can corner. It takes a bizarrely inflated ego to be so obtuse.
I just wanted to grab this moron by the lapels and yell in his face, "NOBODY CARES! DO YOU HEAR ME? NOBODY! THERE ARE SIX BILLION PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD. YOU COULD TELL THIS STORY SIX BILLION TIMES, AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON WOULD BE INTERESTED! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT?"
If I had my own poker room, telling a bad-beat story would be grounds for immediate expulsion. Or maybe execution. Depends on how generous I was feeling on a given day.
Friday, October 03, 2008
Mr. Can't-Take-A-Hint
Posted by Rakewell at 3:58 AM
Labels: imperial palace, ugliness
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8 comments:
This reminds me of the old saying, "90% of people don't care about your bad beat and 10% are glad that it happend to you."
I don't get what the problem is. If your skin is so thin that you can't block the guy out, something's wrong with your game. Suck it up and stop whining like a little bitch.
Man, Rakewell, I really enjoy your posts. It gets me thinking about live poker, which is something I love to do.
As for this situation, sometimes I like to get the guy to tell his sad sack story. As long as he is feeling like a loser, he'll play like a loser. Plus, he may give some good info on how he plays that you can use later. I can understand the annoyance, but isn't there some +EV to letting a tool at the table tell his sad-sack story?
Hi Grump,
I find this post extremely interesting. I'm wondering how you differentiate a "poker story" from a "bad beat" story, or if you differentiate them at all. For example, your blog (and most other poker blogs, for that matter) tend to recount the exact details of specific hands to tell the story of a particular tournament or evening at a casino. This sounds a lot like what this guy did, so I thought you would find this interesting rather than irritating. Is it simply the forum of going into this sort of detail (aka. at a poker table versus on an internet blog) that you object to? Or is it more that a blog "offers" these stories to anyone who's interested, while this guy is essentially "forcing" his story on the others at the table? Is this somewhat of a universal table etiquette truth?
I apologize in advance if this is an obvious answer to most...but I've only played poker twice in a casino (and never play online), so maybe it's harder for me to grasp the difference.
Thanks for your blog, by the way -- I like your writing style, and it's an extremely enjoyable read.
There are three differences between what I do here and the kind of story this guy was telling, as I see it:
1. As you suggest, there's the voluntariness of the audience. You have to seek me out, go to some trouble to find and read what I have to say, which suggests already that you're interested. The guy next to you at the poker table may or may not have demonstrated/expressed such interest.
2. I think there has been only once that I have told a bad-beat story for its own sake. I try to see that all of my stories (whether they can be classified as "bad-beat stories" or not) have a purpose. That is, I can virtually always articulate what I want a reader to get out of it--whether it be simple amusement, learning about some aspect of a little-known rule, or to be astonished at how some opponents play.
3. The teller of a bad-beat story, whether he acknowledges it or not, almost always is seeking sympathy from his listener. It's as if he is imposing a social obligation to say something like "Ah, gee, that's terrible. You should have won that." I deeply resent people trying to coax such emotional support out of me. I want to tell them, "Go tell it to your mother if you want sympathy!" There's none of that going on here.
When I first started playing, I didn't understand why some people couldn't stand bad beat stories. After a while, when you've suffered enough bad beats and either stopped playing or grew some scar tissue, bad beat stories become annoying. "Woe is me. I had Aces against Kings and he rivered a King!" So what, dude? That happened to me twice this week! That's when bad beat stories become tedious. Rakewell is right. It's like people directly asking for sympathy and its cloying. But I still encourage them to do it, since it puts them in a losing state of mind.
I don't mind hearing bad beat stories, primarily for the same reasons highonpoker points out. No subtext to wade through as the guy or gal lays out their strategy, free of charge.
The teller is looking for sympathy, for sure, yet he is also trying to convince himself that he is not a bad player, analyzing his game to the best of his abilities. Wholly human.
Wow, this post reminds me of that time I had 10s at the Hilton and got rivered by some moron with 2-6 offsuit. Wouldn't you know he hit his six on the turn and then...
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