I learned of this YouTube clip from Christian Harder asking Matt Savage on Twitter what he would do as a tournament director if faced with the situation. Watch the hand beginning at about the 6:50 mark.
The angle-shooting victim here, by the way, is Eugene Yanayt, who was at my starting table in the WSOP Main Event. (He was the one who knocked out Greg Raymer.) He is a good player and was always perfectly cool and polite--a trait that serves him well in this clip.
Savage said he would give the offender, Ivan Freitez, a two-round penalty, plus a warning that he would be disqualified if it happened again. I think that's too lenient. Since he had already been given a warning once before, I would have disqualified him on the spot.
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I think rule that the action was a call due to his angle history and disqualification IF the warning previously given was a final warning, otherwise this must be his final warning and max time penalty away from the table.
What a jerk. And of course the deck hit him in the face. Guys like him make poker a lot less enjoyable.
I disagree with the idea that this is an angle shot. Tricking your opponent as to the strength of your hand in the betting stage of the game is an essential part of poker.
to me this is no more an angle shot than if he check raising is.
"Verbal action taken in turn is binding" or, something like that, is the rule. And, like any rule, it can be exploited, as we saw in this clip.
I'm sure that if this had been done unintentionally, no one would have a problem with it, but I'm still not sure I find it all that offensive. As Eugene Yanayt pointed out in the interview after the hand (he handled the situation with great class BTW, in fact, I found his demenour intimidating, don't think he tilts much) this really is a kind of tell. IMO it is a rather weak move, and makes the angle-shooter exploitable. If you know that he knows the rules, then you can make informed decisions on whether to call or not. Isn't this not the essence of poker?
As the poster Pete said, the idea of the game is to disguise the strength of your hand. True, this is not the "usual" way to do it (a poor way to do it as I mentioned) but I'm curious as to why this kind of move in particular warrants the stigma it receives. Is it because the perpetrator is pretending ignorance about the rules? Is this what makes the action so offensive? In contrast, I find players who intentionally show their cards with players still left to act in the hand, FAR MORE offensive. This was heads-up deception and no rules were broken . . . isn't this the game of poker?
This made me want to puke and then punch the guy int he face. What the hell? To me this is cheating. Please tell me this guy did not win the damn tourney!??
I play low and mid stakes limit.. one I have seen similar is for a person in position make an obvious string bet (hoping to see the turn without a raise)...of course if I see this I let them make the raise and then rereaise
What rule does he violate? What rule allows for his DQ?
Curious.
I'm not defending his moves in any way.
From the TDA rules:
"44. Etiquette Violations
Repeated etiquette violations will result in penalties. Examples include, but are not limited to, unnecessarily touching other players’ cards or chips, delay of the game, repeatedly acting out of turn or excessive chatter."
So I am assuming this angle-shoot falls under this rule due to delay of the game?
what a jerk. i would have DQ him
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