Wednesday, February 20, 2008

Absolute, conclusive, definitive proof that online poker is rigged




It's time for what has become my nightly single-table sit-'n'-go tournament. I kind of randomly pick a site. I'm not going to name which one, because I don't want them suing me for here proving to the world that their site is TOTALLY rigged. But there is a very subtle visual hint somewhere in this post that will alert the astute reader as to which is the dirty site I'm talking about.

First hand, I'm in first position to act. I have J-J. I put in my standard raise of 3 1/2 times the big blind (in this case, that's 105, because the BB is 30). I get one caller, two seats to my left.

The flop is a gorgeous A-A-J. I have a full house, for the third nuts, and I feel pretty confident I'm not up against A-A, both because it's so statistically unlikely (given that two of the aces in the deck are on the board), and because I didn't get re-raised before the flop. So effectively I have the second nuts. I check, as does my opponent.

The turn is a blank. I bet about 2/3 of the pot and get called.

River is another blank. I make another bet of similar proportion and get raised all-in. I call, naturally.

My opponent had A-J. We had both flopped full houses. But aces full of jacks beats jacks full of aces.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you: what more proof could you possibly ask for in support of what should by now be a self-evident proposition?

It's rigged, I tell you, RIGGED!

5 comments:

OhCaptain said...

I'd be more apt to believe the rigged part if you had both turned over JJ. ;-)

Wine Guy said...

From having played another well known site (Poker Stars) which I too won't mention for fear of retaliation, once your opponent made the continuation bet on the turn I would have immediately put him on A-J. Fixed or not, I can not believe how many times hands such as yours along with 4 card str8s,4 card flushes and 4 of a kinds pop up.

I know, I know it will come up, but with this kind of frequency? I am not a numbers guy but when I get pkt A's 4 times in 15 hands, and lose over half to impossibly cruel hands (and with a 1/3 of my A's becoming sets) it is time for someone at these sites to either rethink their algorithm's or let us all in on the joke.

When I see that the pros are on this unmentioned site playing for big bucks, do they not see it either, or is there a switch that is pulled for a normal set of hands..Sorry had to rant..Lost a big hand last night. Flopped quad 4's only to be beat by a str8 flush.

Anonymous said...

It is very possible, remember the first hand in the 2005 or 6 WSOP Main Event? Farha had A-10 vs. 10-10, flop A-A-10 both all-in, no name player is now all out . . . of chips.

However, Riverstars is completely rigged. Seen too many trips over trips, boats over boats, etc. Just to frequent.

Anonymous said...

I've been playing online poker for about 4 years now.I play on many different sites as do my friends/neighbors.We play solid,by-the-book poker,and we have managed to build small bankrolls,(less than $100),on several poker sites.Having NEVER deposited EVER on any poker site.We've managed to build these small bankrolls by playing lots and lots of freerolls,single table sit & go's,and fixt/limit cash tables.I along with my neighbors,play poker either live or via the internet on a regular basis.Together we have cashed out on 3 different sites for a total of around $4000.Having Never deposited EVER on any site.That said,here's where it gets interesting.As i stated above we've been playing online poker for about 4 years now and have played close to 1000 days in the last 4 years.The $4000 cashouts that i mentioned was won over the course of 5 days in june of 2008.The other 995 or so days we played we would only have marginal days winning less than $10 or losing a few bucks before quiting as the cards were just bad that day.The thing about it that is intresting is that on the 3 sites that we have cashed out on we left ourselfs at lease $100 or more so that we could continue to play there as we where winning on there site.Now,4 months later,after cashing out,we have since lost ALL of the money we had left on ALL 3 cashout sites.For some reason we cannot win anything,at all,no matter what we play.Coincidence?We think NOT,losing to players who have 3 outs or less on a regular basis has become the sort of thing that would lead any reasonable person to belive that it has something to do with the cash outs.The other sites that we play on,but have yet to win enough to cashout,are NOT dealing us the ridiculuous 3 outer or less suckouts.The other sites are dealing the same as the 3 cashout sites used to.Go figure,,,Here's something else to think about if you have doubts about online poker being rigged.I have PROOF,(that i have saved),where i would be playing on a site and suffering the most awful beats to the point that i would send an e-mail to the support personel of the site explaining to them that i felt as if the odds where not consistant with the outcome.Of the 8 times that i sent an e-mail complaining about the "Bad Beats",i would get a response that made no sense what-so-ever.Anyway,here's where it gets a bit weird,8 times i sent e-mails complaining about the cards and 8 times after receiving their response i would enter another tourney on their site and ALL 8 times i would finish at the final table.8 out of 8 times.I have the original e-mails that i sent(that are dated),the sites response,(which is also dated),and the tourney results e-mail that shows my place of finish and is also dated.I've done this 8 times on 3 different sites and i had a winning run of cards EVERYTIME right after they responded to my e-mail.My neighbor has whitnessed this firsthand as i would show up at his house telling him about the "Bad Beats",and that i had sent an e-mail complaining about it to the poker site support.I would then show him the response i got and he would say let's play another tourney and see if your doing something wrong.So we would,and as i said before we simply couldn't lose,every flop seemed to hit us big no matter what we played.It's funny in a way,and we joke about it alot saying,"all we have to do in order to win is send a complaining e-mail to the support staff,wait for a response, and then sign up for the next tourney,,after all we're 8 for 8.Now,some may consider the 8 for 8 to be a "Random Occurance".So i ask you this.How many times does a "Random Occurance" have to happed for it to no longer be considered a "Random occurance"?Here's 1 more thing to think about.When it comes to "Bad Beats",everyone seems to think that the reason we see more "Bad Beats" online,vs "Live Cards" is because there's more hands dealt per hour or whatever.But what no one seems to realize is that while it is a fact that more hands per hour = more "Bad Beats" the same should be true for "Good Hands"holding up.Why is it that the hands per hour ratio is only used to explain "Bad Beats".In our opinion a hand that is a 90% favorite to win after the flop is just that,a 90% favorite to win and should win at the least 7 of 10 times(givin the luck factor),if not more.Reguardless of how many hands are dealt PERIOD.That is why ODDS exist in the first place.The math is correct,and the Odds don't lie unless your getting em from a complete idiot.So is online poker rigged?Do UFO's exist?Think about this.Of all the photos and video tapes out there that appear to show a flying saucer or some other kind of spaceship lookin vehicle,only 1 of them,out of the 1000's out there,has to be real in order to prove the existance of UFO's only 1 of 1000's.And of all the stories on the internet about people cashing out only to suffer the same fate as we find ourselves in on the 3 cashout sites only 1 of them has to be the truth in order for the question of is online poker rigged to be answered.I have the e-mail PROOF and i will be displaying it in the near future at a time of our choosing.If the 8 for 8 doesn't convince you then what else would?

Anonymous said...

The worst thing that ever happened to me on-line poker was on full-tilt playing a sit-n-go. I am in late position with KK there is a raise 3 seats before mine 3x the big blind, I re-raise, the raiser calls everyone else folds. Flop comes KK9, initial raiser checks, I deiced to min. raise to see where the other player is at, he goes all in, I call, the turn and river come AA he had AA and wins with quad Aces.....the chances of this is happening is .0001%...on-line poker is RIGGED, this is the best example I have and will ever see again. Interestingly my live play always yields money whether it be in a ring game or tournament...on-line however I seldom ever did too good, I did cash often but not not as often when playing in a casino or a home game.