If you have not already read the first part of this story, in which I described the decision I faced, you might want to do so now, before reading on.
I thought a long time, and finally folded.
Well, first I threw up in my mouth a little bit, THEN I folded.
I decided he wasn't the type to check-raise the river with air. I thought he wanted a call, which meant that he believed he had me beat. And the hands that actually had me beat weighed more heavily in my mind than the Dumb Guy hands. I just couldn't see him being obtuse enough to value-check-raise with trips in that situation. I decided that he was quite a bit more likely to have a full house, or, at minimum, the ace-high flush, than something that he mistakenly thought was the winner.
He mucked without showing, so I'll never know.
If I had to guess his most likely hand, it would be a suited K-4 (or his kicker pairing whatever the river card was). On the flop, he thought top pair was good enough for a call. On the turn he like his trip kings, but worried about the flush. On the river he finally made his hand, and made the instant decision to go for the check-raise, without really thinking through whether that was the way to get maximum value, whether I could be relied on to bet for him. But flopped two pair with K-10 is also a decent possibility, as is either 2-2 or 10-10 for a flopped set--but if so, he played them very strangely.
But I'll tell you that I'm having pangs of regret about the fold. In retrospect, I really wonder if he had trip kings and he inadvertantly bluffed when he thought he was value-betting. On the other hand, I hate making bad calls, and I like to imagine that I'm better at getting away from second-best hands than most of my opponents. Maybe the laydown was correct. I really don't know.
Frankly, the uncertainty is annoying me more than I should let it. I'm so used to not knowing such things that it usually doesn't eat at me. I shrug and move on. Once in a while, though, a situation is so puzzling that I can't figure it out to any satisfaction, which causes my brain to keeping mulling it over, trying to unlock the riddle. But I know from experience that the second-guessing of myself will pass quickly, and this hand will be mostly forgotten, like the other thousands before it.
And, just for C.K., I have to say this: Stupid crubs.
Saturday, December 04, 2010
Decisions, decisions (conclusion)
Posted by Rakewell at 3:35 AM
Labels: caesars palace, remarkable hands
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9 comments:
If the guy is bad enough to be in this hand with K4s, he's bad enough to be check-raising the river with trips or a baby flush. If he did have a boat, I think most of the time it would be KTs or TT, where he slowplayed a big hand on the flop, got skittish on the turn, then went back to trapping the river. Given the passive line, though, I really think KT is the only truly probable boat (how does a set not bet/raise the turn to protect against a river crub?).
Still interesting hand all around.
In a situation like this, do you ever ask a player what he had? During the game? Away from the table?
I actually like this conclusion to the story . . . not being sure if you made the right decision or not. That IS poker. It's part of the mystery of the game. It also shines a light on the fact that the outcomes are not nearly as important or interesting as the decision process.
If I already had $93 in the pot and I had a flush, it's an easy call for me. But then maybe I'm too loose!
What the heck???? Grump - I love your blog and I am a fan of the "decisions" posts and I was very happy when I logged on this evening and saw the conclusion post UNTIL the part where I don't get closure as he DIDN'T show!! I am so unsatisfied. Boo hiss.
I would have called. One (very costly) piece of advice I've received is: do all the math. if it's a clear fold, fold - if it's close, then call. why? because it's more fun to call then fold. very costly advice... I think a critical piece of info is the tenor of his call on the turn - the longer this call took, the more likely you are to be beat.
What a tease! If you are going to reveal the results after 24 hours, you ought to actually know the results. LEMON!
(By the way, it was AK).
The most obvious, and yet paradoxically least likely, answer to me was that he had KK. I've had opponents do this to me a number of times over the past few years, and even done it myself once (or maybe twice).
The thinking is "I'm in the big blind - I don't want to raise with my kings because I'll scare him away and only win $13. I'll just call. Besides, an ace might flop and this way I can quietly fold if it comes."
"Oh, crap! I hit top set! Well, I can't bet here, he'll fold for sure. I'll just have to check and hope he catches something."
"Huh! He bet! Must be bluffing. I'd better just call to give him a chance to bet the turn, too. He'd never bet just a flush draw here. Besides, what are the odds he hit a flush draw? It's just him and me in the pot!"
"Oh, holy cow. Quads. There's no way I'm getting any more money from him now, is there? I'm doomed. Wait - he bet. OK, let me see. If I just call here, maybe I can check raise the river to make sure he gets pot committed. That's my only chance!"
"OK - check raise! Now he has to call! Yes yes yes! Oh, drat. He folded. I *knew* quads weren't going to be paid off!"
:-(
The crubs did their job and got there . . . what more can one ask for?
(And yes, I am aware that I am horribly delinquent at commenting on this post.)
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